Vids.
Meta.
mysticalcat7, on 03/23, announced that she has uploaded the last of fkspoilr, the June 1996 digests, following her 03/07 announcement that she uploaded the May 1996 fkspoilr digests. Fkspoilr, of course, was the spoiler discussion list (a sibling of fkfic-l), and those were the days of "Last Knight"'s first airing.
endcredits, on 03/02, snuck an FK reference into her reflections on the season finale of Being Human.
Memes.
ithildyn, on 03/24, answered about Janette in a Five Questions Per Character meme, and on 03/07, shared a Canadian Foods Meme. What, no ribena? :-)
abby82, on 03/04, addressed a WIP Meme. Four of hers are clearly FK.
ithildyn, on 03/02, in a Five Things Meme, mentioned first meeting
ninjababe on the FK IRC channel, and the collaborative origin of her FK/HL universe.
Fanfiction.
abby82, on 03/30, posted a new, G-rated, N&N story titled Change Upon Us, written for the "Fic Drought NNFic Challenge" at the NNFic Yahoo! Group (which I didn't know existed; good for them!).
dj_clawson, on 03/11, discussed the possible publishing future and challenges of her Aristotle stories.
falcon_horus, on 03/03, listed and linked all the submissions to her Claire Rankin Character Mini-Ficathon. The FK entries are: "Not in the Stars but in Ourselves" by
tanaquisga (FK/SGA), "Memories" by
falcon_horus (FK/SGA), and "Three Fireweed Seeds" by me (FK).
Cast and Crew.
abby82, on 03/29, reviewed Deborah Duchene's episode of Beyond Reality (1991), a two-season Canadian series with lots of FK cast and crew. She's generous with screenshots.- When the news about the SciFi Channel rebranding itself "SyFy" (um, right, that'll make 'em cooler than us) came out, many remembered the days when Ms. Hammer ran the USA network and with it FK's third season, including
ithildyn here,
wiliqueen here,
studiesinlight here...
pj1228, on 03/15, reviewed A Bug and a Bag of Weed, a comedy with Nigel Bennett.
Good friend and FK Fan
We are not yet ready to lose her, not by a long shot. If you're inclined to pray, please include her now. Please.
Thank you very much. I've never before gone the prayer-request route on forkni-l, but needs must.
Just for reference -- there have been no changes -- here are the current list rules. As you know, I personally feel that the two main email lists are still the heart of Forever Knight fandom, and they still feel like my own fannish home, even though I don't visit nearly as much as I used to. If we transplant the fandom's heart someday, I'll deal. Until then, the fact that the lists still exist at all makes me happy. (There were 273 recipients of my last fkfic-l post, the acknowledgement said.)
The rules are numbered more-or-less in the order they accumulated.
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Ever since you first watched "If Looks Could Kill," years ago, how have you interpreted Doctor Sofia Jurgen's (the Baroness's) patients?
Norma, Agnes and Bernice were older when they became Sofia's patients, in recent years, and her full course of treatment made them become physically younger.![]()
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2 (33.3%)
Norma, Agnes and Bernice were young when they first became Sofia's patients, decades ago, and her treatment sustained their youth.![]()
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4 (66.7%)
Other (which I will explain in a comment).![]()
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0 (0.0%)
A month or so ago,
pj1228 and I had a delightful little debate on this subject on forkni. After much canonical examination, we were unable to sway each other, and determined that canon cannot disprove either interpretation (cool, huh?). Before I import my side of that here, and reveal which angle I championed, I want to learn what you think! What is the mainstream perception on this?
- On August 11,
graphiteslog sketched out a Forever Knight/Sapphire & Steel crossover that sounds quite sensible and intriguing. (And if any of you have ever heard of Sapphire & Steel before, she would probably be gratified to learn of your existence.) - On August 8,
ithildyn pondered an FK/HL story she wrote in March, called "Shattered," which, to her surprise, ended up featuring Nick. She mentioned an eventual sequel. - On August 5, someone posted something noteworthy, under a lock.
- On August 2,
abby82 recapped aspects of a recent "Curiouser & Curiouser" discussion on forkni-l. - On July 20,
abby82 recommended two FK f/f stories: Havoc's untitled Fleur/Kate piece, and also "What Makes a Mortal Interesting," a Janette/Natalie story I'd never seen before.
First, a word of caution. I do not know the people running this project, and neither do the friends I asked. The moderators of this community are strangers.
That said, there is a project called "The Forsaken Fandom Awards" (
I learned of the project last week, when someone kindly nominated my "Starwort" from earlier this year. A moderator emailed me, asking whether I would give permission for them to list the story and link to it on my site; without my asking, they promised not to post my email address and not to repost my story. I spent the week hoping to find someone who knew them; I failed, but emailed back and gave permission anyway.
As this active awards project includes FK, we can certainly participate. And it's downright silly for "Starwort" to be the lone FK nomination, which it apparently is at the moment. Nancy K., Ell, PJ, Jarvinia, Elena, Kristen, and many others have posted excellent new FK fiction in the designated period!
Again, I'm not acquainted with the moderators, and that makes me anxious. (I'm a Knightie; I angst.) But encouraging more FK fanfiction is a worthy goal. So here's their posted schedule:
- Nominations: July 11, 2008 to August 15, 2008
- Voting & Judging: August 16, 2008 to September 20, 2008
- Winners Announced & Banners Posted: September 27, 2008
An overview with links to their rules is on their profile. You do not have to have a LiveJournal account to participate in nominating or voting, but if you don't, they will verify your email address before counting your contribution.
That's all I know. If someone else knows more, by all means...?
There have been a few posts lately asking for the names of middling-to-minor characters, like Amy Lambert from "I Will Repay" and Cynthia Lambert Luce from "Undue Process." I thought I'd mention the FK Character Directory that I've been working on for a few years now. It's alphabetical by first name, and includes every character ever named aloud, or in the credits after first season (if the credit can be confidently matched to a person on screen). I believe it's easy to search, using a browser's "Find" function. It's complete up to "Night in Question" so far. I will finish it, but have not just yet for the typical reason that third season can be an emotional slog; still, I'm getting there.
In parallel to that list of people, I've been working on a list of the places and things unique to the FK universe. It is also complete up to NiQ, so far, and it's my favorite. These are tidbits that can really make a story pop. I find them tremendously fun.
And of course there are the character FAQs that I originally made in '97.
They are all intended to be of use to people writing FK fanfiction.
Yup. :-) I don't much like the Alexandra character from "Fatal Mistake." She earned her epithet. But on the up side, I don't think we're supposed to like her! I think she's supposed to be precisely what she is, and that's one of the glories of first season.
In my opinion, despite her shortcomings, Alexandra is a well-rounded character compared to some of her later-season equivalents, such as Amalia (CL) or Alyssa (DoN) or Liselle (TG). At any rate, she gets more lines than they do. We know some of Alexandra's past, her hopes, her motivations: that she had never been farther than the next county, that she longed to travel, that she found Nick attractive in part for being well-traveled, and of course that she, um, wasn't shy. We know she was a tavern serving woman, and we know some of how she approached her customers. We know she searched for Nick over time. And in the present day, we discover that she resents and despises her vampirism, putting her into a select company with Nick, Serena, Sofia and perhaps Urs. (Maybe even Feliks, but that's another analysis entirely.)
Of course, Alexandra is also an easily manipulated nitwit, by all appearances. ( Read more... )
Surely Alexandra is meant to parallel the young hoodlum who attempts to take a misguided revenge on Stonetree in that episode. Both Alexandra and the boy have committed against others the very crimes of which they accuse the person on whom they wish to take revenge. Neither of them run on all cylinders -- the boy is apparently drug-addled -- and so her dim-bulb status serves a structural purpose in the episode; I respect that!
Have I gone and talked myself into liking Alexandra just a little bit better? Maybe. But that's a long, long ladder she's got to climb up to guest-star ground level.
That would be a great favor to the fandom! I would follow your progress eagerly. But I'm afraid it might even take three TVs this time: US cut, Canadian cut and the DVDs. Four if we can circulate the first-run German cut. (Is it lucky or unlucky that only first season comes in quite so many flavors?)
When the first-season DVDs came out, I checked "Last Act" to reassure myself that no footage was missing, even though the run-times clearly indicated the first-run Canadian cuts. I picked "Last Act" because it's peculiar in having some footage that aired only in the US as well as some that aired only in Canada (and, besides, it's so good! ~g~). ( Read more... ) I should have checked more episodes, obviously. :-) Why, why, why would anyone cut Nick and Lacroix's exchange about souls from the flashbacks of "False Witness"? Madness!
Golly, but I love first season. I rewatched "Fatal Mistake" recently, and kept thinking that while it was perhaps the least admired episode of first season, and surely suffers two painful script burbles as well as arguably one of the worst necks-of-the-week ever, it is nevertheless smart, well-constructed and satisfying.
I don't mean to disagree, and of course you are absolutely right about there being no no "flesh shots," but I have seen dubbed VHS copies of one German airing of FK's first season, and what I saw does have some brief footage that is additional to the Canadian airings. In almost all cases, those shots are "atmosphere" extending the existing scenes -- the camera lingers longer on a set or prop, or a character walks a few more steps across a room or down a street. I do not recall any of them including dialogue. Nevertheless, those bits are additional to all the North American airings.
My favorite is Nick picking up and setting down a book on the credenza next to his answering machine. Just a few seconds -- but what a prize! :-) Nick reading! In his home! Knightie-bookworm joy. ;-)
The one scene in all of first season in which I found a substantive content addition in the German episodes I saw was what I think of as Ilsa's flashback inside Nick's flashback in "Dead Issue." ( Read more... )
I do know, from a recent conversation with
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Susan G. posted to forkni-l today. That's an unusual event, worth noting! And I'm way behind on digests, as usual, so it's coincidence that I saw it so quickly. So what is she up to in FK? FanHistory.com, it appears, with the FK Fanfiction Awards page, and perhaps thoughts of creating "something on the FKFic-L challenges."
I'm not familiar with this site, so it was probably as foolish as it was impulsive of me to go in and start adding links. She invited, "Please feel free to go in and edit the wiki as need be - most of the stories on the award nom section need links," but I should have left it to others wiser in the ways of wikis in general and this site in particular. I fervently hope I didn't fail to follow a format and mess up how it was supposed to be; if I did, please tell me how to put it right, and I will. At any rate, the links I added are to story files on the authors' own sites -- except yours,
I worry a little about some of the names in the list, as I always worry about such things when they pop up. I edited mine, per my current custom. All those years ago, most of us had no idea what the Net would become (there was no Google, no DSL, no IE!) and perhaps those same people today would rather go by other identifiers? It's thorny.
Fanfiction. Writing "Starwort" (that long Fleur story) for the ficathon was a bit of a "high," and I'm experiencing a low in its wake. A friend who did not have time to beta before the ficathon is taking a look at the story now, and will let me know what I can fix in her areas of expertise before taking the story home to fkfic-l. Trying to figure out where to begin a completely different new story, and not succumb to the morass of not writing for fun (only work), I'm playing with
Analysis. The last forkni-l digest I read came on March 22. That's not far behind, by my standards these days, but there was this one post that week to which I would really like to respond -- at length, citing a whole alphabet soup of episodes, in the good old way -- but I can't well do so until I catch up on all the digests since, to see if someone has beaten me to the punch. Ah, well. Key thought? The thing the poster assumed is true, well, it appears only in Lacroix's dialogue, and only after first season. This leaves the very strong interpretive possibility that, as Nick and Janette's dialogue in the first season explicitly contradicts Lacroix on this point, Lacroix is either mistaken or lying, and either way, most probably trying to manipulate Nick! Ah, well. :-)
And we must have more stories.
I know this was asked and answered back when the second soundtrack CD first came out in '99, but I'm afraid I've forgotten. Remind me? You know that final, unlisted, almost-hidden spoken-word bit at the very, very, very end of the second FK soundtrack? It's part of the final track (suite from "Last Knight," movement "End of an Era"), not separate, but you don't hear it until you wait through a period of silence.
A male voice says:
"Well, here we are. We're coming up to a new millennium, going into our next eight-hundred years together. What's gonna happen? I don't know. I don't know. Just hope we can do it together. Hope we all make it through. Stay friends. Maybe find some new ones. Should be fun. Just keep a smile on, huh? Yeah, keep a smile on."
Is that Geraint Wyn Davies's voice? Or is it Fred Mollin's voice? (I recently listened to it on a better sound system for the first time, and it sounded different to me, making me doubt what I thought I knew. Perhaps it's just time passing.)
I've been set digest on forkni-l for ... ever. Okay, years and years. (I've never left fkfic-l, but I did go through a "nomail" period on forkni-l.) In this century, I often go months at a time barely skimming the digests, opening several weeks' worth all at once long after the fact and just seeing if something catches my eye. I happen to be in a "reading it" phase right now, however, opening each digest within a day or two. This week, anyway. We'll see how it lasts.
The discussion list is going through the series in order, one episode every two or three weeks, led by Tim P., bless him. He reminds us of the next episode scheduled for discussion, and makes the first discussion post each time. ("Capitol Offense" was up last week.) The digests are infinitesimal compared to once-upon-a-time, usually just one to four posts per day, and nothing some days. But this is good, in a way, because at this volume, I can keep up when I get in the mood to do so. The old three-digests-per-day, 40KB-per-digest would be well beyond me now!
And Another Thing (9:13 AM): By the way, I've added most of my 2007 forkni posts to this LJ (backdated to their original posting dates, quotations belonging to other listmembers omitted). The "chat" tag will pull them up, if you're interested. If this seems like a good idea, I can roll on back in time, adding more until I run out of old posts...
The Border in Discussions with US Networks
I've seen it speculated on list that Catherine Disher and Nigel Bennett's new show, The Border, might make it to US television, but I hadn't seen anything in the wider press until this snippet from a 02/01/08 Reuters article: "The distributors of another Canadian drama, CBC's 'The Border,' are in discussions with several U.S. networks, including CBS and ABC."
I wonder whether full US network airings of The Border, if successful, might have any subtle influence on SciFi or Chiller putting FK into the line-up for a round or two.
Nick getting away with breaking lots of procedures and perhaps contributing negligently to homicide is just a "little bit"?
Well, yes, in "Capitol Offense," it is, because, as we know, the even bigger reality-defying problem in this episode is that Canada would never extradite someone who faces the death penalty. It's against the law. If "Capitol Offense" had happened in the real Toronto, the Laura Garfield character would probably be behind bars in a Canadian prison to this day, as I understand it. They wouldn't ship her home until Texas gave up the death penalty -- which is to say, never.
But despite that infamous blunder nomination for the wall of shame, I really do love two things about "Capitol Offense." ( Read more... )
Natpacker
Unfortunately, FK is not one of the official fandoms for the ficathon (they held a vote; we didn't win). So although there is a "wildcard" slot for unlisted fandoms like FK, there's no telling whether you'll really get the opportunity to write FK. Of course, the more who sign up with FK as their wildcard, the better the FK odds ... which is why I'm posting here, of course! :-) If anyone wants to play in this ficathon, please consider bestowing your wildcard slot on FK? ( Read more... )
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New List Rule: No Moonlight
Cost always carries weight, and with cheaply-produced "non-scripted" shows as competition these days, perhaps the expense factor is even more pivotal than before. This made me start thinking: what if FK were up for this season? What if this were the year in which the same ideas had been pitched to the same major network with the same hole in its late-night schedule? If we were looking at Crimetime after Primetime for the very first time, I think the question might be not whether it would be picked up -- after all, Moonlight -- but at what in FK's execution would be different in today's environment?
The biggest difference, I suspect, might be forensics. ( Read more... )
What is the best episode for hearing Natalie's laugh, in your opinion? Not just seeing her smile, but actually hearing the sound of her laughter?
It struck me today that I don't have a good mental soundtrack of such key FK sounds as each character's laughter. I know the voices, of course -- to the point I could peg GWD uncredited in the Nancy Drew movie on the strength of two lines, one off-screen -- but laughs, sobs, gasps and screams are eluding me. If someone were to set up a sound archive for FK, which scenes would best provide those elements?
And what other routine sounds would be key -- the caddy, Nick's elevator, Nick's refrigerator door, the morgue scale, what else?
Just a train of thought...
When the first-season FK DVDs first came out, we all scrutinized them very hard, and determined that they are the full Canadian cuts. If you have seen the German broadcast cuts, or in a few cases the "director's cuts" tapes that got into fan hands, then you may have seen a little more footage than is on the DVDs. But if you saw only North American broadcasts, probably not.
The German first-season editions do not have many bits that would count as full extra "scenes," and they have almost no extra dialogue. Instead, they have many longer establishing shots -- the camera sweeps longer down a hallway, higher up a building, Nick takes more steps toward a table, Schanke lingers longer at a door ... that kind of thing. ( Read more... )
"Fortress of Solitude" is a famous phrase from Superman.
Lisa is comparing Nick's Toronto loft to Superman's arctic retreat, and thereby comparing lonely vampire hero Nick to lonely alien hero Superman, though of course she cannot know the breadth of applicability in her parallel. Lisa could have picked up the phrase directly from the comics, or from the Christopher Reeve movies, which she would have seen on TV or VHS given her age, or any other Superman stories she had encountered, but she must surely know she's citing Superman canon, junior fangirl as she is.
Additionally, as the creators of Superman were Canadian, there may be a tongue-in-cheek element of national proprietariness on the part of the writers in employing that particular phrase in that way.
The "high-tech dungeon of doom," as Schanke calls Nick's loft, has the most attention paid to its "Fortress of Solitude" element in the first season, with the alarm system, camera, and shutters. Later, this all seems more taken for granted. The characters and the writers alike got used to it, perhaps. Or does Lacroix's return affect the role of the loft in the story?
In reply to a question as to who brought Daniel across in the flashbacks of the episode "Father Figure:
The strong implication is that it was Lacroix -- and Nick believes it is Lacroix -- but it happened off-screen, so you can certainly create an interpretation in which Janette is Daniel's maker. However, as with the Baroness in "If Looks Could Kill," that interpretation runs up against Nick's need to ask, in "I Will Repay," whether Janette has ever brought anyone across, and her clearly saying "no," that she is "too much the glutton" and they have always died before she could bring anyone across. ( Read more... )
In reply to a question as to whether the actor who played Daniel grew up to be the actor who played Anakin Skywalker:
Confused, sorry! It is the young actor who played Nick's nephew Andre in "Fallen Idol" who grew up to play Darth Vader. I went into that movie as excited about seeing what Fleur's son would look like at that age as anything Mr. Lucas could share with us after the Jar-Jar fiasco. ( Read more... )
